Gary Shaw vs. Dana White: Who’s right and who’s wrong?

by Joe Schmitt 5/23/2008 9:35:00 AM
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Earlier this week in an article published in the Long-Beach Press-Telegram, Dana White had this to say about Kimbo Slice:

"You know what would happen if he fought in the UFC?" White said to the newspaper. "I'd put him in against B.J. Penn, and (Slice) would get annihilated. The guy he is fighting, James Thompson, might get knocked out before he gets into the cage. Kimbo has no credibility at all in MMA. ... I am telling you, B.J. Penn would beat him."

While this may seem like an idiotic statement to make, it’s partially true. Would B.J be able to defeat Kimbo? It’s hard saying, however, it isn’t that far out of the realm of possibility. B.J. has fought at light-heavyweight and was able to hold his own against Lyoto Machida, but that’s another debate for another day.

The fact of the matter is that Kimbo is an unknown commodity. He has an intriguing personality, but he’s always going to take slack from hardcore MMA fans and veterans of this sport. I think it’s mostly due to people being jealous of his stardom in the sport. They’ve seen the veterans of this sport, the Chuck Liddell’s, the Randy Couture’s, the Tito Ortiz’s, put in their hard work and help grow this sport to what it has become today. Kimbo has burst onto the scene because of backyard fights on the Internet. Does that represent him as a person? No. Does that make the criticism of him valid? Maybe.

Kimbo is being brought along slowly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He hasn’t been training that long and has done nothing to draw the negative comments that have been directed at him. He’s simply done what he’s been asked to do, and that’s go out there and put on an exciting show and win fights.

EliteXC has also been matching him up with advantageous style matchups that suit his brawling and avoid having him being taken down repeatedly.  I think James Thompson might try to take him down, however; he’s going to have to get close to take him down. The closer he gets, the better chance Kimbo has of exploiting Thompson’s famous glass jaw. Thompson’s wrestling also isn’t that great, so it could be a quick night for Kimbo once again.

Gary Shaw had this to say when asked about Dana’s comments:

"Dana White is a jerkoff," Shaw said. "That's what Dana White is -- a [expletive] idiot -- and you can quote me on that. If he cared about mixed martial arts and the sport instead of caring about his big ass swimming pool and his own personal gains, he'd understand that statements like that make someone a jerk. First of all, I love B.J. Penn, and he is a friend of mine. Kimbo Slice, with one shot, would knock B.J. Penn out. But they are never going to fight. It is an idiotic statement from a complete idiot."

Woah, woah, woah there, Mr. Shaw. Are you implying that you really care about MMA and don’t care about the money? Get the [expletive] out of town.

This is the thing that really irks me about Gary Shaw. I love how all of the sudden he has come out and said that he is all about MMA and that he’s doing this all for the love of the sport. Wrong. He’s doing it for money, and I think he has ulterior motives. To me, he’s still “the boxing promoter” Gary Shaw.

As much as everyone criticizes Dana White, I really believe he loves the sport of MMA. Does he let his personal feelings get involved sometimes? Sure, but I think that just shows that he really loves the sport. He has been here through the thick and the thin, and I think it’s highly hypocritical of Gary Shaw to come out and say that Dana White doesn’t love the sport of MMA. I think he’s probably the biggest fan we have. He’s an impulse acting kind of guy, and that sometimes hurts his persona, but if you ask Dana White a question, you’re going to get a truthful answer.

Things are starting to heat up between the organizations and as the clock winds down to EliteXC’s debut on network television; I think the war of words between Dana and Gary will continue to worsen.

Leave some comments below and let me know what you think about each organizations front man. Is Dana wrong to call out Kimbo and his lack of experience? Is Shaw still the same sleazy boxing promoter some fans see him as? Can EliteXC ultimately compete with the UFC? Let me know, I’ll be sure to respond.

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May 23. 2008 11:21

I think it is in Dana White's best interest to be quiet here, even if he is right.

a) You don't want to give Elite XC any free publicity.

b) If Elite XC goes under, which is a distinct possibility if they don't get any publicity, Dana White might want to sign Kimbo. Dana White is a business man. Kimbo would bring in viewers, just like Brock Lesnar. Why poison a potential future business partner.

mmaanalystReader us

May 23. 2008 12:47

Kimbo Slice is great for the sport and in my opinion, when he gets taken down and submitted by his first decent opponent, he will be even better for it. He is great at bringing in new viewers, who do not normally watch MMA because of his youtube popularity, so when he looses his youtube fan club will want to know more about the sport and the men who are truly great fighters.

I personally like Kimbo as a person, but understand what Dana hates. He is a good guy, who respects every MMA fighter and says it repeatedly. He started out like most fighters, realized he was a natural fighter, fell in love with MMA and started training. The thing that I hate is he is not as good as the Average Joe thinks he is. Also, he does not deserve the fame or the persona that is behind his name yet. Kimbo is a rookie in MMA and should be treated as one. I am not going to say there is not an opportunity for him to become a MMA fighter, but right now he is not one.

I do not blame Dana and I completely agree with you Schmitt. Dana is a huge MMA fan, he just happens to run the UFC. Dana's comments are the comments of a true MMA fan sick of the uninformed public riding the hype of Kimbo. I make some of the same types of comments to friends, who do not understand MMA, when they talk about Kimbo.

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Rob us

May 23. 2008 16:42

Interestingly enough, Tim Sylvia commented on Kimbo recently. I think there are plenty of fighters that feel that Kimbo is not ready to headline.

Here is what Tim said:
"I don't agree with making Kimbo the main event. I believe Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler deserve that, Robbie being their champion. So why wouldn't you have a title fight being the main event? Kimbo's a hell of an athlete, a tough guy and I believe he's doing the right things to become a better fighter. And you can't be pissed off at him for them giving him the opportunity of the main event. I mean, that's great, he's out there making a living. But I don't agree with the way the promotions have built him. I'm just worried that you're going to see kids go out there and fight on the street and put them on YouTube and hope they get the same start that Kimbo got through it."


The biggest issue I have with Gary Shaw is that many of the things he has ripped on Dana for, he does himself.

Originally, he sounded off on exclusive deals, yet is now signing guys to them.

He said he would let his fighters go out and challenge the top guys, but now says they have nothing to prove, but he is willing to let UFC fighters come to Elite to compete.

Do I think that Shaw is bad? No, but I don't think he is too far from Dana.

Jeremy us

May 24. 2008 08:20

Thanks for commenting guys.

I think Kimbo has definite possibilities in the sport, but he's getting a late start.

Here's one question that I didn't pose in my article, but should have.

How long until the other fighters at EliteXC get angry because Kimbo is the one in the spotlight making all the money?

I mean, the guy got $200k for his fight against Tank. That's the same amount as Tito Ortiz makes. More than most MMA fighters that compete in the UFC. At which point do the fighters of EliteXC step up and take a stand? Randy walked away from the UFC for a lack of "respect" which turned out to be money. What about the others?

JSchmitt us

May 24. 2008 08:22

Jeremy,

I forgot to mention one other point about Shaw. Shaw likes to call out Dana for wanting to be the star of the UFC and being the face of the organization. Isn't it funny how we always see Shaw in the ring after every fight congratulating fighters? Dana doesn't even do that. Who's looking to be the star again?

JSchmitt us

May 24. 2008 17:18

funny thing about mma.both guys dana and gary are boxing promoters... i think they couldnt be a major player in boxing thats why theyr in mma... i think both dont care about mma and its just for money.dana wants boxing to disapear so king and arum and delahoya would be gone.then start his boxing promotion as a sole promoter.

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May 25. 2008 17:09

Kimbo really needs to fight someone legit. It really states alot about your company to be hinging it all on the likes of Kimbo slice and for the record BJ I think would beat his ass maybe we all forgot about the old Gracie fights when he would submit 300 pounders. A year fom now Kimbo will not be heard from again.

Anthony us

May 26. 2008 05:10

Dana White brought in Sean Gannon after he beat Kimbo in a street fight (an indoor street fight, but a street fight nonetheless). If Dana could sign Kimbo, I think he would, because I think he could make money off of him.

I also agree that Gary Shaw is in MMA for the money, trying to cash in on what he sees as a hot fad. I'm not saying he isn't a fan of the sport, but if he didn't think he could make money by promoting it, he wouldn't be in the business.

Dedwyre us

May 28. 2008 06:03

I think Dana White cares about MMA and loves MMA if it's in the UFC.

The Elite XC cards are pretty nice without Kimbo Slice. Scott Smith, Lawler, Diaz are much better fighters, but relatively unknown to non hardcore fan.

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